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This was the first RANK to RANK breeding of Presas. Cona and Tianna both have PSA 1, PDC as well as Top Placing in IronDog
Events. Both sire and dam are devoted family dogs, very good around children, and competition level protection dogs. They
are both very level headed and very social. We feel that this breeding says it all for stability with strong nerves, courage
and temperament. All puppies are sold...no puppies available at this time. We are excited to watch the future development
of these puppies. Check back for updates.
Important Article from Working Presa Canario Board
Welcome to the world of the Working Presa - a unique and magnificent animal we all here are proud to represent. We hope you
will find this forum full of useful and educational info. We will appreciate an introduction from you. What's a "true presa"
to you? If you are looking for a STABLE, TRUSTWORTHY FAMILY COMPANION AND GUARDIAN, with proven working ability and health
behind its breeding, then you came to the right forum to gather information from. To see pictures of our dogs - EACH ONE A
STABLE TRUSTWORTHY FAMILY COMPANION, see Red Star Performance Presas here: "http://www.red-star-kennel.com/presa/protection/protection.html"
"www.red-star-kennel.com/p...ction.html"
For a gallery of 36 videoclips with these dogs performance, see:
"http://www.red-star-kennel.com/video/video.html" or "www.red-star-kennel.com/video/video.html"
To obtain a Presa worthy of its name, ANY breeder you contact, ask for PROOF of health and working ability (we presume you
mean guard/protection. Our breeders are being constantly asked by newcomers about the breed, which makes for an awkward position
these days. Most Presa breeders claim to breed "working dogs", or Presas for "work", dogs with "nice drives", so the first
thing we usually have to explain is that all Presas are NOT created equal, and that stability, trustworthiness and the excellent
working ability of our dogs are a) hard to come by in modern Presas; b) unique in their uniformity and consistency. Breed
HISTORY which tells you about the dogs from five hundred years ago, as fascinating as it sounds, has NOTHING to do with what
is being bred in MODERN Presa kennels in Canary Islands, the US or elsewhere in the world. Breeders of this forum are members
of IAPC "http://www.iapconline.net/", they represent the WORKING STRAIN inside the breed: our dogs are tested and matched
strictly according to their trustworthiness and manageability in the family, as well as their working temperament and functional
health. While many organizations such as FCI, UKC, UCI, etc. recognize the Presa (Dogo) Canario, IAPC is the only breed club
where passing of health and temperament (with protection) testing IS MANDATORY for ALL dogs that are registered in the Stud
Books and producing litters that the organization endorses. This is WHY our Presas are different from the rest. WHEN and
IF they get bred, they already have their hips certified or prescreened free of HD and they have passed a Temperament Test
which includes stability AND courage testing. For a discussion of Presa club differences, please see the following threads:
http://p069.ezboard.com/bworkingpresacanario
Number one health problem in the breed is HIP DYSPLASIA. A strong word of CAUTION in regards to hip testing. Often you hear:
My dogs have had their hips checked. It makes a HUGE difference whether hips were CERTIFIED FREE of hip dysplasia by OFA,
received a low PennHip score or just have been x-rayed or checked, which tells you nothing of the quality. Having a dog that
has OFA certification and having a dog that has PennHip certification both indicate the hips have been checked for HD by a
highly reputable source, but only dogs FREE of Hip Dysplasia AT FULL MATURITY can receive an OFA certificate. PennHip has
no pass/fail system and frequently is being used by unethical breeders to justify breeding of dogs that cannot pass OFA.
For explanation of PennHip ratings, see the following, by Fred Lanting.
"http://www.siriusdog.com/hip1.htm" or "www.siriusdog.com/hip1.htm"
You can pretty much guarantee your buyers that the pup you sell them with a 0.3 will never have DJD (HD), but you lose credibility
with such a guarantee as that index creeps higher and higher. You can think of an index of 0.4 as being "40% out of the socket"
if you want to oversimplify the picture, since the readings runs from a hypothetical 0 (zero would mean no ability to move
in the socket) to a full luxation of 100% out of the socket, or DI of 1.0. Dogs with a DI of 0.3 have tighter hips and are
less likely to develop DJD, while those with looser hips whose DI values approach 0.7 or more are at greater risk. "http://www.canismajor.com/dog/pennhip1.html"
or "www.canismajor.com/dog/pennhip1.html"
Since few Presas have undergone both OFA and PennHip evaluations, we can only estimate a correlation. For example, an OFA
excellent Presa scored a DI of 0.46/0.48 and OFA Fair 0.59/0.59. This latter score is still lower than the so-called median.
At the beginning of the process, the median (i.e. the score below which 50% of the cases fall) for Presas was 0.59, based
on the number of dogs in the PennHip database and their individual scores. It means that most Presas that were radiographed
using PennHip method did not have very tight hips (and the extent of HD prevalence in Presas both in the US and in Europe
is very well-known). So hips scoring less than 0.59 were recommended as suitable for breeding. As time went by and more unhealthy
dogs were entered into the database, the median has moved to 0.62, i.e. towards the worst. If more crippled Presas are entered
into the database, the median will climb even higher, scores recommended for breeding will rise, and HD will proliferate.
Given these facts, one must ask for PROOF that the breeding stock DOESNT have HD on BOTH parents.
While PennHip does not have the publicly accessible database, OFA does. Given the scale of temperamental problems in the
breed (weakness of nerve and lack of confidence are the most wide-spread), unless a dogs genetics has been proven through
rigorous testing and training, you can pretty much assume it DOESNT have what it takes to PROTECT or even serve as a PREDICTABLE,
TRUSTWORTHY, STABLE COMPANION. One cannot possibly know of the genetics making up the future pups' temperament if the parents
are not tested thoroughly!!! As a club, we INSIST on BREED-SPRECIFIC temperament testing for our Presas, which was specifically
designed to check stability, sociability and courage under pressure. As the next logical step to our explanation of temperament,
we would like to STRONGLY suggest that JUST BECAUSE a dog can be shown to bite DOESNT mean it can or will protect. There is
hardly a website that doesnt advertise Presas guarding/protection abilities in some shape or from. Looks like everyone is
producing dogs with working ability. Nothing can be further from the truth in most cases. We call this phenomenon, pretend
working breeders. How do the pretend working Presa breeders fool the newcomers who come to their websites with a desire to
buy a dog that will guard and protect? Firstly and most frequently, they try and sell HISTORY. Next, they use pet stability
tests such as ATTS, TDI, TAN, and CGC as indicators of working ability. These all-breed tests, which any Poodle, Beagle or
Lab will pass with no problem, do nothing to test working temperament in breeds with guarding/protection heritage. They are
also fond of posting pictures of some kind of bite work as the only evidence (NO competition RESULTS, NO trial SCORES, etc.).
Such pictures can make quite an impression on non-professionals. In order to NOT fall a victim to false advertising, you need
to interpret those pictures. Only videotaped training and competition performance must be presented by breeders claiming
to breed for working ability buyers must never rely on bite work pictures alone as the only source of evidence. Only breeders
who are not afraid to let others test their dogs can be trusted, period. Also, when inquiring about a guard/protection prospects,
or even simply a TRUSTWORTHY COMPANION, ask for parents achievements, such as TITLES from organizations which test dogs under
PRESSURE, ask for names of TRIALS that include protection - if no such evidence can be presented, ask for passing of a breed
specific temperament test that will include a courage test, like IAPC TT or WABA IronDog GDT, NOT ATTS, CGC, TDI or TAN.
If you don't have this type of proof, you should be more then willing to assume there is NONE because dogs are incapable to
deliver and/or the breeder doesn't care enough for these qualities to want to prove their stock. In either case, that should
take them off a list of reputable sources. If you were looking for a capable working dog, but got your pup from someone who
doesn't health and performance test, and your expectations are not met when the dog matures, it means that you haven't done
you research. DO NOT BLAME THE BREED. Breeders that belong to IAPC rely on a network of professional helpers and trainers
who are familiar with the breed. Dogs that are purchased from our club and trained within this network are guaranteed to perform
according to expectation. As the next step, we suggest you read the "Attention New Members", "Articles", and "Hall of Fame"
and "Hall of Shame" forums to figure out what people here consider important and worthy about Presas, what is expected from
a Presa breeder, what we here value these dogs for - that's the reason why those threads are collected there. This is not
a place to collect Internet gossip, but if you are looking for facts and proof of functionality, adherence to performance
standards in breeding and testing - you will find all this information in various formats throughout the above forums.
Presa Canario (Dogo Canario)
Buyer Beware:
Over the past five years the Presa Canario breed has grown in popularity. A corresponding increase in the number of so called
breeders has incurred. This influx of profit-driven breeders has led to a number of practices that threatens the existence
of the breed as it has been known for years.
We feel that the Presa first and foremost should be a family companion and protector.This breed is very loyal to family, but
tends to be wary of strangers. Their excellent athletic ability has made them a top candidate for the job of personal protection
and family/home guardian. He can fiercely protect his property one moment and be trusted to curl up with a small child the
next. We believe that aggression is not a trait of the Presa and dogs with unstable temperament or bad hips should not be
bred. Socialization is the upmost importance and getting the dogs out around as many people as possible as well as allowing
children to play with them.We do everythingwe can do to test them and make sure that they are stable. As with any large and
powerful breed of dog, obedience training is essential.
The OFA number consists of several parts. A typical number might look like this (this is Tianna's): The "PPC" is the OFA abbreviation
for Perro de Presa Canario (this has now been changed to Dogo Canario).
The number33 means that this dog is the 33rd Presa Canario to be given a number.
The "E" stands for a rating of Excellent (E would mean excellent, G would mean good and F- fair). The 24 is the age, in months,
at the time of x-ray. The "F" means female. The PI means Permanent Identified (ie microchip) or T for tattooed.
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| Raz 20 months |
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| Tahgor & Tia (14 mos. 1/24) |
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| Shadow standing 11 mos. |
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| Taboo (almost 10 mos.)This is pup that won a Best in Show at 4 1/2 mos... |
Rarities International Champion;
Int. Ch. Oakleaf's Red Star Taboo of Fabelhaft, Dogo Canario. Owner & Handler-James Dalton (at 10 months
old!)
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| Taboo - almost 10 months |
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| Taboo 6 months |
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| Taboo and owner, James Dalton |
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| Tequila 1 year |
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| "Tequila" ready to pounce!! |
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| Dr. Cabrera and family with Tequila |
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| Cabrera Family and Tequila |
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| Raz first agitation Sept. 2003 |
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| Nicholson Family and Raz (1 year) |
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| Raz 6 months |
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| Raz 14 weeks |
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| Tica 14 mos. |
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| "Tica" 6 weeks |
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| Edwards Family with Tica |
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| Wong family with Shadow |
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| Alex Wong & his male "Shadow" |
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| Mole as a pup |
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| Mole 6 months |
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| Mole 6 months |
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| Juan & Sonya Mendoza with "Mole" |
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| Babs |
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| Regoord Family with "Babs" |
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